after a couple of years on the road, Lizzo is getting ready to release Big GRRRL Small World, which is coming out on her own BGSW label.
“When you see the world, you’re able to write about it in a different way. And that’s why the album is Big GRRRL Small World,” she says. “Everybody speaks the same language when I get on the microphone, you know? It’s opened my eyes, and I’m able to express myself globally.”
“I knew I could flow because of Houston, and I knew that I could eventually learn to sing and convey a message and catch the spirit because of Detroit. But to be able to know the boundaries and break the boundaries of my musicality—that’s all Minneapolis,” she reflects. “Because Minneapolis, the people, the artists that live here, they definitely don’t follow by the rules. They make new rules and they make new normals. It’s inspiring.”
For the follow-up to her debut album, 2013’s ‘Beak and Olson-produced Lizzobangers, Lizzo wanted to try a new approach. After years performing alongside other artists, Lizzobangers was Lizzo’s first chance to claim the spotlight and fill an album with her own voice, and it stands up as an excellent introduction to her wit and unstoppable technical abilities. But now that she’s spent the past two years honing her solo show on the road, she wanted to make an album that could capture the full range of her dynamic abilities.
That Big GRRRL Small World offers such an intimate portrait of the artist is a testament to the tight bond she has with the album’s producer, BJ Burton, who helms the controls at Justin Vernon’s April Base studio outside of Eau Claire, Wisconsin (Vernon also leant his vocals and vocoder playing on “Bother Me”).
“BJ’s so dope,” Lizzo says, sighing happily. “Lazerbeak challenges me. Ryan Olson challenges me. But BJ gets me. Which is rare to find. He’s like a quiet, understanding sponge of emotion that I can just squeeze into.”
Burton is credited as producer of Big GRRRL Small World working with Lizzo to create the album out of compositions/productions that they wrote together or that she wrote with producers Sam Spiegel, Taskforce, Lazerbeak, and Bionik. Burton’s influence is especially strong on the album’s quieter moments, which swell with gospel organ progressions and astronomical blips and bloops before evaporating like a puff of smoke into the night sky.
It’s in this hazy space, sandwiched somewhere between throttling bass-driven rap throwdowns like “Ain’t I” and the confessional “Humanize” that we start to grasp who Lizzo really is—and as the album progresses, we’re taken on a journey of self-discovery, reckoning with past mistakes and finally learning how to truly love herself.
“I’ve done everything I could do to myself,” she says, reflecting on her personal journey toward self-love. “I’ve been on both sides of the spectrum. And then when I met in the middle, and just decided to let my body do what it wanted to do and focus on what’s important to me—which is music and performing and making sure somebody heard the song and had a better day—when I took the focus off of myself for a while, and when I looked back at myself, I realized that I liked what I saw.””
The climax of Big GRRRL Small World comes with the double-whammy of “En Love” and “My Skin,” both co-written with Bionik. The latter is a soulful, empowering ballad about embracing her blackness and celebrating the beauty of brown skin.
“Black Lives Matter, the movement and the hashtag, has been a huge part of my waking moments. I remember having a conversation with a friend, and we were joking around, like, we can’t help it, ‘I woke up like this,’” she reflects, breaking into Beyoncé’s song “Flawless.” “So [I sing] ‘I woke up in this,’ because that’s the truth. We’re waking up inside this vessel, and we can change it all day—I wake up looking great, I wake up feeling like I don’t look so great sometimes. But I always wake up inside of this.”
“I don’t anticipate romantic love, at all,” she says, smiling. “I’m not expecting it, because I feel really full. If it comes, it’s like not even secondary. It’s like a third. I have my friends and my family and my passion—the actual love of my life, the thing that I felt like I was born to do—to create music. And if somebody comes along, you know, they real lucky. That’s all I have to say about that.”
Big GRRRL Small World Tracklisting
01. Ain’t I (prod by Sam Spiegel, Jake Troth, BJ Burton)
02. Betcha (prod by BJ Burton)
03. Ride (prod by Lazerbeak, BJ Burton)
04. Humanize (prod by BJ Burton)
05. Bother Me (prod by BJ Burton)
06. B.G.S.W. (prod by Stefon “Bionik” Taylor)
07. The Fade (prod by Taskforce)
08. 1 Deep (prod by BJ Burton)
09. The Realest (prod by BJ Burton)
10. En Love (prod by Stefon “Bionik” Taylor)
11. My Skin (prod by Stefon “Bionik” Taylor)
12. Jang a Lang (prod by Stefon “Bionik” Taylor)
Feb 06 – First Avenue – Minneapolis
Feb 13 – KCRW Presents 8th Annual MojaMoja Brunch & Benefit Concert – Los Angeles, CA
Feb 17 – Daytrotter Downs – Davenport, IA
Feb 18 – Subterranean – Chicago, IL ^
Feb 19 – Majestic Theatre – Madison, WI ^
Feb 20 – Turner Hall Ballroom – Milwaukee, WI ^
May 20 – 22 – Hangout Music Festival – Gulf Shores, AL
May 27- 29 – Boston Calling Music Festival – Boston, MA
Jun 09 – 12 – Bonnaroo – Manchester, TN
^ w/ Cavanaugh